Nasa flight surgeon : “in the middle of the hangar was an actual flying saucer / it lifted off just like a feather"

In an interview with retired F-16 pilot Chris Lehto, Dr Gregory Rogers, former Chief of Aerospace Medicine, stated that a major had shown him footage of what appeared to be a flying saucer in a hangar

This article is a selection of excerpts from an interview by Gregory Rogers on The Lehto Files. In response to questions from Sentinel News regarding Dr. Rogers statements, the Pentagon stated : We have nothing for you beyond what’s stated in AARO’s Historical Record Report Volume One. The debate about the ownership of advanced platforms that have been reverse engineered and the origin of their alleged technologies is ongoing.

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I've got written confirmation from the commander, from his subordinates, and then from two public affairs officer that I am authorized to speak about UAPs.

And so as I exited this area, there was a set of double doors. And as I went out the double doors, this major was off to my right. And he said, “Hey, Doc, I've got something to show you. I've got something even you have never seen.

I looked at this computer screen, it was completely clean screen, it had no identification of classification markings, no location, time, date, nothing, there, there, there was nothing explaining about the video I was seeing on this screen.

Now then, it was a fairly typical looking hanger. Could have been any hanger anywhere, except that what was in the middle of the hanger was an actual flying saucer.

I said, “where would we get a design like this?” And he said, “we got it from them”. Now then he did not explain what he meant, but obviously he was referring to non-human technologies from off this planet.

within a couple of minutes, the vehicle became active. At the time, all I could see was from what I now call the three o'clock position. And it was just slightly above looking down. The vehicle itself was sort of a pearly white. There were no seams, rivets, windows, doors, nothing that could be identified. It looked as though it was sort of a modified egg if you just sort of shifted it around.

There was a tiny little area on top that protruded and there was a mast sticking out. And on the mast, it looked like there were three umbilicals coming off. And at the beam of the craft, from the 1230 position to the 230 position, there was a horizontal black rectangle. From 330 to 530, there was another black triangle or rectangle. As I came to learn as it moved, there was also one at 630 to 830 and also 930 to 1130. At the three o'clock, six o'clock, and nine o'clock position, there was a vertical rectangle, and all of the rectangles were flat black, and so I believe that these were made to monitor the movement of this craft, because if it was perfectly pearly white and it began to move, there was nothing there to show you that it was moving.

there were electromagnetic discharges that told me that the vehicle had become active

as soon as it started to do this, it just sort of lifted off the floor, and the floor looked like a concrete floor with like some kind of rubber mat that had been put on top of it. You know, you can go to your garage and put mats in there to keep it clean and dry and all of that, and so it looked like there was something like that. But it lifted off just like a feather. It rose about three feet in the air and then just hung there.

So, as I'm watching, the next thing that it does is that it rotates 360 degrees clockwise. Now then, this is where I learned the rest of the information. What I describe is the 12 o'clock position. I do so because it was the one area totally separate from anything else.

As it rotated across, I could see the writing U.S. Air Force, and then it had an American flight insignia just above that. So, that was the one place that was totally different, which is why I'm classifying it as the 12 o'clock position. So, I'm watching this thing rotate, and I can see the rectangle is moving, but here's this writing that is moving as it rotates with this US flight insignia. Now, that surprised me even more than just seeing the flying saucer right in front of me. It completed a 360-degree circle, paused, and then completed a 360-degree circle counterclockwise so that it was in the same position it had started in. It moved to the left and right, it moved forward and backwards. It's just like you're testing your controls, making sure that you have everything working.

Then it rotated to a 45-degree angle of attack, if it were flying and the 12 o'clock position was going forward. Now then, you know this is amazing. Fixed-wing aircraft can't do this.

People have suggested that maybe this was done as a form of disinformation. I cannot imagine who could have created a video that would be so very authentic that it would absolutely completely fool me. And I think that would have it would have been harder to have done that than to have shown me what we were doing.

One other thing, you know, this was 92. This was only three years after Bob Lazar had come out with his information about reverse engineering spacecraft from non-human intelligence. And I have to say that one of the closest descriptions I have heard or seen in diagrams was what Bob Lazar called his “sports model”. And so this was only three years after that. So I don't know if what I saw was actually an advanced form of the very vehicle he was describing later on when I saw the tic-tac video. I thought, man, you know, just a little bit of design difference. And it could be that. Now, the difference, though, that makes me not believe that the tic-tac video was a reverse engineered vehicle. And I discussed this with my lecture to the Department of Defense in 2024 was that it's not just the appearance, it's the capabilities.

That craft perform maneuvers that there's no way we could reproduce.

So my belief is that this was probably owned by a contractor. They are wanting to show the Air Force, “look, we've produced this vehicle, look what it can do

The natural state of a bureaucracy is to inhibit anything that could disrupt that bureaucracy.

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I contacted Commander Shaw, who is the commander for the Navy Professional Development Symposium. I said, look, since the Navy has now acknowledged the presence of FA-18 pilots chasing UAPs, and there has been testimony before Congress, can I actually address it in my lecture? We went back and forth several times on e-mails and finally said “as long as it's done in a professional manner. I will allow you to do this.”

So I made up my slide set, sent it to them, they reviewed it and then said, yes, you can give this presentation. So then just to make absolutely certain, I gave it to the public affairs officer at the McAllister Army Ammunition Plant, which is where I was working at the time, and then also sent it to Fort Sill, which is the main army base in Oklahoma, and had the public affairs officers, both locations give me e-mail, written statements that yes, you can give this presentation. So I've got written confirmation from the commander, from his subordinates, and then from two public affairs officer that I am authorized to speak about UAPs.

8:55

I gave that lecture on the 24th of April, 2024. I received a lot of favorable comments, and even got a letter back from Commander Shaw saying that he appreciated what I did by giving this lecture.

19:15

So that was 15 minutes out of my life, and yet here it is being what it is. What had happened was I'd gone to one of the buildings there on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station proper.

And I had a guide that was with me from EGNG, which was the primary civilian contractor. And part of EGNG had all of the medical operations for it. And so we did not provide those medical clinics and so forth, but we were to oversee what they were doing. And then, of course, if there was any military personnel who had any problems, I would take care of that as well. So there was a change in processing in, I believe it was an interdeck access way.

When you put a space lab module in the payload bay of the space shuttle, it's this big container where they have all these experiments, a lot more room, and so the astronauts can do all kinds of stuff during the course of that mission. The only problem is that the airlock from the crew compartment doesn't fit to the opening of the space lab module. So there's an access way that has to be put. And then once it's locked in place, they launch it and the astronauts can go through the access tunnel to go back and forth between the crew compartment of the orbiter and the space lab module.

Well, something had been done different, so I was wanting to see what it was like. And so I went in, did that, no big deal. And as I was coming out, it was a clean room, so I had a little bonnet on my head to cover my hair. I had a lab coat on and non-electrostatic booties that I needed to take off. So I sat down and I was doing this and I was talking and I didn't do it very quickly. And so the escort... zipped it off and said,”okay, Doc, we're through for today. I'm out here.”

And so off he went. So I was like a minute or two behind him, which ended up being an important minute or two. So he was already gone. And so as I exited this area, there was a set of double doors. And as I went out the double doors, this major was off to my right. And he said, “Hey, Doc, I've got something to show you. I've got something even you have never seen.”

Now, then the reason I think he said this was because of compartmentalized security. So people who worked in one building on the Cape, many of them could only go to that building, they couldn't go to other buildings. Because we didn't want this, the secret of what's going on here told to other people. And we didn't want these people knowing what those people were doing. But I went through most of the areas on Cape Canaveral. So I got to see a lot more than the average person. So he said this to me. And I said, “Okay, what is it?”

And he said, “Come on, step inside”. So he took me into this little office, had four computer sites for four different people. But he shut the door, locked it. And then he closed the mini blind louvers on the door, there was a set of windows, and he closed the mini blinds on the windows.

23:18

So I'm sitting there thinking, hold it, what's going on here, this, this does not look normal. And I was becoming a little bit skeptical. But he said, “Watch, I've got something to show you”. So he sat down at his computer station. And he turns it on, the screens on, he's doing all of this stuff. And I don't have any idea what he's doing. All of a sudden, he says, “Okay, here it is”.

So he scooted over one seat to his left. And I sat down in his seat. And I looked at this computer screen, it was completely clean screen, it had no identification of classification markings, no location, time, date, nothing, there, there, there was nothing explaining about the video I was seeing on this screen.

Now then, it was a fairly typical looking hanger. Could have been any hanger anywhere, except that what was in the middle of the hanger was an actual flying saucer. So now this is this pretty shocking. I did not get up that morning say, well, “I wonder if I go to the Cape where they're not somebody will show me a flying saucer”. Well, no, it was nowhere in my mind.

So I'm looking at this thing and I said, what on earth are we doing with this? And the guy made some kind of comment that didn't impress me at all. I'm still looking at this computer screen. And so I said, “where would we get a design like this?” And he said, “we got it from them”.

Now then he did not explain what he meant, but obviously he was referring to non-human technologies from off this planet. So I'm looking at this thing and it's amazing. Now, when I saw it, there were two guys in lab coats to the bottom left. And then midway up the screen on the right side, there were three guys that looked like technicians in what I would call Tyvek suits, head to toe. And only their faces were showing. And then some sort of a warning sound went off and everybody cleared out.

And then within a couple of minutes, the vehicle became active. At the time, all I could see was from what I now call the three o'clock position. And it was just slightly above looking down. The vehicle itself was sort of a pearly white. There were no seams, rivets, windows, doors, nothing that could be identified. It looked as though it was sort of a modified egg if you just sort of shifted it around.

28:02

So, you know, just like any experimental aircraft, they put markings on it so you can monitor the motion, and that's what I believe these rectangles were.

Now then, there were electromagnetic discharges that told me that the vehicle had become active, and they were very peculiar, but I don't wish to describe them to anyone, because if this was a testbed model, whatever the mechanisms were being used may still be active in more advanced craft, and I don't want to give out information that would be beneficial to those opposing the United States.

But as soon as it started to do this, it just sort of lifted off the floor, and the floor looked like a concrete floor with like some kind of rubber mat that had been put on top of it. You know, you can go to your garage and put mats in there to keep it clean and dry and all of that, and so it looked like there was something like that. But it lifted off just like a feather. It rose about three feet in the air and then just hung there.

Then it rotated to a 45-degree angle of attack, if it were flying and the 12 o'clock position was going forward. Now then, you know this is amazing. Fixed-wing aircraft can't do this. Rotary-wing aircraft, I had my solo certificate in helicopters, and I had 500 hours in rotary-wing aircraft. The lift is from the disk of the rotors, and it's in 90 degrees perpendicular. To raise up, that's no big deal. That's what it's supposed to do. That's how you get it in a hover. But as soon as you change the angle of attack, you're moving the thrust vector. There's going to be part of the thrust vector that is down, but now part of that thrust vector is going to be in a direction. Because it's in a direction, the aircraft will move in the opposite direction. A helicopter could go to a 45-degree angle of attack, but it's going to be moving forward and lifting. This thing did not do that.

32:35

This shocked me more than anything else, because it did not move one centimeter as it moved to what would be a 45-degree angle of attack.

That really just blew me away. I'm really focused on this. Just about that time, there's a knock on the door. The guy hits the buttons to turn the computer and screen off, and he said,” don't tell anyone I showed you this”. I'm going to go around telling somebody that you show me a flying saucer. Well, he goes to the door, opens it. We were both majors, and so this Lieutenant Colonel and two other guys came in, and so the Lieutenant Colonel said, “what's going on in here? you had the doors locked”.

So the other major said, well, ‘I had this skin thing and I wanted to see if it was cancer, and so I was having Doc take a look at it”. Well, now everybody looks to me, so my mind is racing. If it had said any degree of classification, I'm turning this guy in for showing me a classified video inappropriately, but there was nothing that said that. I got to thinking, these are the four people that work at these four computer stations. If this guy knew it and knew how to access that video, probably these other guys did too. So if I report this guy, I'm going to have to report them. That means I'm going to have to go to security. That means I'm going to have to go to their chain of command and report what was seen, and then I'm going to have to go back to my Colonel and say, sir, “I just want you to know that earlier today, I saw a flying saucer, and so I reported a security incident”, and all of these things are going on up at the Cape, and it's probably going to go up to the General, and he's going to have to contact his people, because there's a type of anal material that tends to move quickly up the chain of command in the military, if you understand what I mean.

I'm thinking, “oh my goodness, all of these consequences are going to happen if I say anything”. So I did what many airline pilots, what many Air Force pilots, naval aviators have done in the past. I ignored it and said, “it wasn't cancerous”, and I said goodbye. I went out the door, got in my car, drove 30 minutes south to Patrick Air Force Base, and along the way I thought, I can't tell this to anybody. So I didn't even tell it to my wife for 15 years. But as long as I was associated with the Department of Defense, I did not want to risk what the repercussions were going to be as soon as I told this story. I got involved with this organization, the International UFO Bureau. While I was still with the Department of Defense, but I waited until I was ready to retire.

There's a guy named Tyler Roberts with Total Disclosure that is part of the International UFO Bureau and Mindy Tautfest runs the Bureau and I'm very pleased to be on the board of directors for it, because I think it's going to be head and shoulders above what the other common UFOs organizations do, and I wanted to be part of it. Tyler Roberts ended up revealing my story on the 4th and 5th of May of this year, and it just went viral as the term goes, and gained a lot of attention from many, many sources.