Astrophysicist Avi Loeb joins Cliff Dunning to unpack the new interstellar object 3I ATLAS—why its brightness/size, ecliptic alignment, retrograde approach, and close passes to Jupiter/Mars/Venus look unusual; how Hubble and JWST observations may resolve its nature; and why Loeb proposes using Juno instead of deorbiting it. He outlines the new Lobe Scale (risk scale for interstellar visitors), a potential solar gravity-assist maneuver near Oct 29, 2025, and what to look for if a “mothership” deploys mini-probes (possible UAP uptick). We also cover the Galileo Project all-sky observatories, Loeb’s Pacific IM1 spherules expedition, detection gains from the Vera C. Rubin Observatory, and why policymakers should treat techno-signatures seriously—without panic. Subscribe for more interstellar, UAP, and ancient mysteries content.

Timestamps:

0:00 Introduction 1:24 Discovery & early data (ATLAS, Rubin) 3:02 Lobe Scale (risk 0–10) & policy frame 4:10 Hubble/JWST plans; odd forward “glow” 5:05 Size/brightness puzzle (~20 km?) vs Oumuamua 6:20 Trajectory odds: ecliptic, retrograde, planet flybys 7:40 Solar perihelion Oct 29, 2025 (maneuver window) 8:30 Juno intercept idea vs deorbit 9:20 What spectra show (no classic comet gases) 10:30 Tech scenario: “mothership + mini-probes” & UAP watch 11:20 Galileo Project observatories & what’s next