Notes on a 2002 meeting between Dr Eric Davis and Admiral Thomas Wilson
... the source of the Grant Cameron document speaks out
In recent days, there had been much discussion about a document, held by Canadian researcher Grant Cameron, which purports to be a set of notes, concerning a 16 October 2002 meeting between Dr Eric Davis and US Admiral Thomas R Wilson. A copy of this document was uploaded, anonymously to the Internet, on 20 April 2019 according to the date stamp.
To place this document in context, we need to go back to a 1997 meeting between US researcher Steven M Greer, and Wilson,
The original Greer/Wilson meeting
On pages 151-152, of US researcher Steven M Greer's, 2006 book, titled "Hidden Truth: Forbidden Knowledge," it states:
"The day after the Congressional briefings in 1997, I was asked to do a briefing for the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Tom Wilson. In advance of this important meeting we sent a document to his people. His assistant told me that the Admiral had, in fact, found these code names and code project names and numbers useful; he inquired through channels and found some of the ops in a cell in the Pentagon.
Once Admiral Wilson identified this group, he told the contact person in this super-secret cell: "I want to know about this project." And he was told, "Sir, you don't have a need to know. We can't tell you."
Now you can imagine being an Admiral, J-2, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at the Pentagon, and being told, "We're not going to tell you"? Well, he was shocked and angry.
I took one of our witnesses, Shari, our military advisor, and the Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell with me to this meeting with the Admiral. It was a stand-up briefing. As the briefing progressed, he began canceling other appointments - he was so interested in the information. The only reason the meeting ended when it did was because Ed Mitchell had to get up to New York for a TV interview. But the Admiral, I know, would have kept it going for some time more.
During this briefing, the Admiral and I discussed the risk this rogue group - that had shoved him aside - was to the United States, the rule of law and to the national security. I pointed out that the first CIA director, Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoeter, had written a letter in the early 1960's stating that the secrecy related to UFOs - and not the UFOs - were a threat to the national security. I told the Admiral that this illegal, rogue group had ARV technology that can do circles around his B2 stealth bombers. He thought a minute and said, "Well, as far as I am concerned, if you can get people who know about this matter to talk on the record, you have my permission to go to the media with this! This group is illegal!" So when people ask who supported disclosure among others, I tell them the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff!"
Researchers have used the information provided by Greer, to determine that this meeting took place on 10 April 1997.
A number of people contacted Wilson to ascertain what he had to say about the reported meeting, with Greer and others. I am aware of at least two such contacts, besides the purported 2002 meeting between Eric Davis and Wilson.
In October 2006, US researcher Richard Dolan, reached out to Wilson. The following is a quote from part of a Dolan interview with Jimmy Church dated 19 December 2018.
"And then I actually went out of my way and I found Thomas Wilson. It's the only time in my life that I did an ambush interview on anyone. I felt kind of bad about it you know, but not really that bad. Wilson was working for an advanced aerospace company. I cannot remember the name of it but you know...after you leave the military you get...you get roped, you get brought in. Senior VP for all the weaponry and technology for the breakaway civilization and that's really what he was doing. And I contacted him. I was able to find him and I pretended that I was just a regular conventional historian of the US Navy and that I'd learned about his career and I wanted to talk to him. And he was, he allowed me to call him.
And shortly into the phone call I had to say - look this I'm really calling because I'm an historian of the UFO phenomena and your name came up in a conversation, and that got his attention. I told him essentially about the story: the whole meeting with Greer and Edgar Mitchell. He was really funny because - he he'd gone from genial like relaxing in his big chair saying yeah let's have a nice long conversation - to an ultra high-pitched voice. And he was very angry and kept saying my memory is foggy, my memory is foggy. And then said, all of that was poppycock. He said - yes I did meet with them but everything else is poppycock...was his word. So I knew I got to him and then he hung up. He just ended abruptly the conversation. So I feel like that document that I was shown I am inclined to believe it, I think it was probably true. I think it got to Wilson. I got to Wilson."
2. US journalist Billy Cox also contacted Wilson. In an article dated 6 August 2008, Cox, in part, wrote:
"A retired high-ranking military intelligence official rumoured to have been snubbed in his attempts to obtain sheltered UFO data insists he never even bothered to look for it.
"Never," retired Rear Adm. Thomas R Wilson replied Tuesday when asked if he'd ever been barred from retrieving classified material, exotic or otherwise, during his career.
Wilson, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, was head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1997 when he agreed at meet at the Pentagon with advocates of UFO declassification. Among them, he confirms, was Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell. The driving force behind that meeting was North Carolina UFO researcher and medical doctor Steven Greer. Greer founded The Disclosure Project in an effort to grant amnesty to government whistle-blowers willing to violate their security oaths by sharing insider knowledge about UFOs.
At least seven years ago...Greer was telling audiences about extracting a pledge from Wilson during that meeting to investigate special access projects involving UFO technology. But shortly thereafter, Greer claimed Wilson reported that he didn't have the proper security clearance to inspect those files.
As Greer informed a Portland, Ore. audience in 2001, Wilson said 'I am horrified that this is true. I have been in plenty of black projects, but when we tried to get into this one,' he was told, and I quote, 'Sir you do not have a need to know.' The head of intelligence Joint Staffs. You don't have a need to know. Neither did the CIA director, and neither did the president."
This story has been circulating on the Internet ever since, and made it into Greer's book "Hidden Truth: Forbidden Knowledge," last year. But the thing didn't sprout legs until Mitchell began discussing the meeting during what turned out to be a media blitz in July.
Mitchell avoided all mention of Wilson's name, but in a July 4 appearance on "Larry King Live," the moonwalker told CNN audiences he'd learned the admiral "had found the people responsible for the cover-up and for the people who were in the know and were told, I'm sorry, admiral, you do not have need to know here and so, goodbye."
Now an executive with a Minnesota-based defense contractor, Wilson told De Void he accepted Mitchell's 1997 request "because he was a former astronaut and maybe had more credibility than some person off the street." Wilson says he doesn't remember who else attended that meeting, but he admitted "a certain amount of curiosity" about allegations of deep-black UFO projects.
"What is true is that I met with them," Wilson said in a phone interview. "What is not true is that I was denied access to this material, because I didn't pursue it. I may have left it open with them, but it was not especially compelling, not compelling enough to waste my staff's time to go looking for it."
Mitchell told De Void he never heard directly from Wilson after their initial meeting, but he says he trusts the veracity of the unnamed sources who told him of Wilson's inability to penetrate security.
Mitchell said he was "shocked" by Wilson's response to De Void, but added, "I do not wish to engage him on this matter."
Steven Greer refused to back down. "I was there and know what was said," he stated in an e-mail. "I was also informed prior to the meeting that, after sending him a secret document with UFO-related code names and numbers, that he located one of the compartments but was specifically denied access to the operation."
On the Cameron copy of the Davis notes
I have successfully located the person who first obtained the document, and spoken to him; and he has admitted obtaining the document, and of giving it to Grant Cameron.
This individual is, or was, active in the aerospace community. I asked my source if he had ever met Dr Edgar Mitchell? He replied that he had met him, briefly, on several occasions. However, that the Edgar Mitchell meetings may have nothing to do with the source of the documents.
The person I contacted, wishes to remain anonymous for the moment, as he believes that the document is the real story, not how he got hold of it. He has no wish to be involved any further.
This individual wishes it to be known that he had nothing to do with the dropping of the document onto the Internet. He was just as surprised as everybody else when it dropped, as he thought it was some time off. He also, has no idea who dropped it on the net, or who sent it to Richard Dolan. He states, it wasn't him.
My source says, categorically, that Grant Cameron did not drop the document either. My source adds, that he would neither confirm nor deny, that additional documents were given to Grant Cameron.
For now, let us focus on the contents of the document, while not forgetting that the provenance is also important.